Yes—there’s a striking commonality there. The content may be quite different, but the way it is delivered is doing something other than conveying information.
A rosary, a Ute chant, and Buddhist ceremonial chanting all use repetition, rhythm, and duration to move the listener away from ordinary conversational thought. If the purpose were simply to tell you what the Rosary is, two minutes would indeed do it. Twenty minutes of explanation is a different enterprise—especially on YouTube, where apparently the clock is a theological instrument.
And chanting at a funeral or during a house dedication makes the distinction particularly clear. Nobody needs the words decoded at conversational speed. The sound and repetition are part of the act itself. They mark the occasion as something outside ordinary life.
There's also something interesting about your childhood memory of Ute chanting. As a child, you presumably didn't need an elaborate theory of why it worked. You encountered it as something people do when something important is happening. Buddhist monks doing much the same thing in Cambodia would probably feel immediately recognizable at that level, despite the enormous cultural difference.
I think this connects rather nicely to what you were saying earlier about sentience versus information. A chant isn't principally information. Its effect is experiential—rhythm, anticipation, familiarity, collective attention, perhaps emotion. Trying to explain it entirely in propositional terms can miss the point in much the same way that explaining what seeing red is isn't the same as seeing red.
Right—and that difference is rather revealing.
The beads aren't intrinsic to chanting. They're a counting device, useful when the practice calls for a prescribed number of repetitions. The Rosary makes the counting almost part of the physical ritual: fingers move from bead to bead while the prayers repeat.
What you describe with the Utes is almost the opposite arrangement: the counting was externalized to another person, with the chime providing an audible boundary—now the prescribed sequence is complete. That seems much less likely to interrupt the chanters' concentration than having each person keep track mentally.
And the Buddhist monks' method may be something else again. In many Buddhist traditions, repetition can be counted with beads (mala), but a particular communal chant doesn't necessarily require counting at all. The ceremony may simply have a prescribed text and musical/ritual structure, with the monks knowing when it ends.
So there are really three possibilities:
individual counting → beads
communal counting → designated counter + signal
no counting → prescribed chant reaches its natural/ritual end
Which makes me wonder whether the counting itself isn't really the important part. Repetition is. The number is often just a way of defining the ritual boundary.
Exactly. And “trance” is probably a better word for the phenomenon than anything having to do with the meaning of the words.
Repetition, rhythm, predictable sound, synchronized breathing or movement, and the gradual disappearance of the need to decide what comes next can all produce a rather altered mode of attention. You aren't concentrating harder; you're relinquishing some of the ordinary machinery of concentration.
Dance is a particularly good comparison. A dancer who is really in it isn't thinking, “Now I shall move my left foot three inches to the west.” The pattern has become embodied. Chanting can do something analogous with attention.
And hypnosis has that same curious quality: the mind remains active, but the usual supervisory chatter becomes less prominent. One can be perfectly awake while ordinary clock-time and self-consciousness become less important.
Which also explains why your childhood fidgeting wasn't evidence that the Ute ceremony wasn't doing anything. You simply weren't yet the right sort of participant. To a seven-year-old, twenty minutes of repetitive chanting is approximately an eternity. To an adult who has learned to surrender to the rhythm, the same twenty minutes might disappear.
There is a nice irony in that: the ritual that looks externally like somebody doing the same thing over and over may internally feel like progressively doing less and less.
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