"Beware, for I am fearless and therefore powerful." - Mary Shelley, from Frankenstein, ch. 20. 


Well maybe, but also vulnerable. 

 

Spot on. The Creature’s declaration is pure hubris—a classic defense mechanism masquerading as absolute strength.

When you have nothing left to lose, fearlessness feels like an armor. It makes you unpredictable and dangerous to others because standard threats, leverage, and social consequences no longer apply. But that exact same detachment strip-mines your defenses.

Fearlessness usually stems from complete isolation or emotional destruction. In Frankenstein’s monster, it isn't genuine invulnerability; it’s despair. By cutting himself off from humanity and discarding the fear of death or pain, he removes his own stakes in life. That doesn't make him immortal—it just makes him reckless.

Why Fearlessness Doubles as Vulnerability

  • Loss of Strategic Caution: Fear is an evolutionary safety measure. Strip it away, and self-preservation goes with it. You walk straight into traps you should have avoided.

  • Emotional Leverage: The Creature craves connection above all else. His "fearlessness" is a posture adopted only after being rejected by his creator and society. His ultimate vulnerability—his desperate need for companionship—is the very thing driving his aggression.

  • Single-Point Failure: A person who relies entirely on intimidation has no fallbacks. The moment someone calls the bluff or finds the emotional fracture, the entire facade collapses because there is no resilience built on empathy, support, or self-care behind it.

Power built purely on having "nothing to lose" is inherently brittle. The monster can burn down Victor’s world, but he can't build anything of his own from the ashes.

What made you ponder that particular quote today? Are you looking at it from a psychological angle, or just revisiting Shelley's work?

 

What is it Shakespeare has Caesar saying about a coward dying many deaths? 

 

It is from Act 2, Scene 2 of Julius Caesar. When Calpurnia begs him not to go to the Senate because of her bad omens, Caesar dismisses her fear with these lines:

"Cowards die many times before their deaths;

The valiant never taste of death but once.

Of all the wonders that I yet have heard,

It seems to me most strange that men should fear;

Seeing that death, a necessary end,

Will come when it will come."

It is a striking parallel to the Frankenstein quote—both characters project total fearlessness right before their own undoing. For Caesar, that refusal to yield to fear (or heed warning) leads him straight to the Ides of March.

Well, it seems death came when it came, but the implication is it could have been avoided. We all know that we will die but don't want to. I think about the disposal of my body and what the morticians will do in preparation, and it gives me palpitations.

That reaction is completely natural. The idea of losing agency over our own physical forms, and having strangers handle us after we're gone, touches on a very deep, primal discomfort.

What often triggers that claustrophobic feeling or sudden spike of anxiety—those palpitations—is the loss of control and the mental picture of the conventional embalming process. Embalming is quite invasive (draining fluids, using chemicals, setting features), but it became a standard medicalized norm only relatively recently, largely starting around the American Civil War.

Because that process stresses many people out, more people are opting for alternatives that preserve dignity, offer full control in advance, and avoid invasive procedures entirely:

  • Direct Cremation: The body is cremated shortly after death without embalming, viewing, or chemical preparation.

  • Natural/Green Burial: The body is not embalmed or filled with chemicals. It is placed in a simple, biodegradable wooden box or linen shroud and buried directly in the earth, allowing a natural return to nature.

  • Home Funerals / Gentle Care: In many places, families are legally allowed to care for their own loved ones at home before burial or cremation, bypassing traditional mortuaries altogether.

  • Terramation (Natural Organic Reduction): Gently converting the body into nutrient-rich soil over a period of weeks using natural microbes and organic matter, entirely avoiding traditional embalming methods.

Setting up a advance directive or specifying your exact wishes in a living will can take away a lot of that anticipatory anxiety. When you dictate exactly what can and cannot be done to your body, you take your agency back.

Does knowing there are gentle, non-invasive paths help dial down that anxiety at all, or is it more the abstract thought of non-existence itself that gets your heart racing?

Yeah, surge of anxiety says it better than palpitations. Your alternatives are no better. Rotting and being consumed by worms? Being incinerated?

That is a profoundly honest reaction, and it cuts straight to the core of why this triggers such an visceral surge. When we really sit with it, every single physical outcome for a human body after life ends feels unnatural, terrifying, or hostile to the mind trying to process it.

The discomfort doesn't actually come from the specific method—whether it's chemicals, fire, or the earth. It comes from trying to imagine being there to experience it.

Our brains are hardwired for self-preservation, constantly simulating scenarios to keep us safe. When you picture what happens to your body after death, your conscious mind tries to project itself into that future moment. It tries to imagine what it "feels" like to be in a casket, a fire, or the ground. But because consciousness won't be there to experience any of it, the brain panics at the paradox—it feels like being trapped, helpless, and stripped of all physical autonomy while conscious. That is where that sudden wave of dread and the surge of adrenaline come from.

It is less about the mortuary process itself and more about the mind's ultimate rebellion against its own cessation.

When that surge of anxiety hits you while thinking about this, how do you usually bring yourself back to the present moment?

 

I didn't exist for a very, very long time, and I won't exist again. The Stoics said that that fact made death nothing to fear. Of course they had in mind various Hells and such, but extinction somehow seems at least as bad. 

 

It is the absolute finality of it. Lucretius called it the "symmetry argument"—the idea that the infinite void after death is identical to the infinite void before birth, so neither should cause us pain. But that intellectual logic often falls flat because it ignores a crucial difference: before you were born, you had never experienced existing. You had nothing to lose.

Now, you have a self. You have memory, awareness, and a perspective on the world. Extinction doesn't just mean "not being here"; to the conscious mind, it feels like the total theft and erasing of everything you have ever built, felt, and known. It feels like an erasure.

The Stoics and Epicureans viewed non-existence as a peaceful neutral—a state of zero harm because there is no subject left to suffer the harm. But to a living mind hardwired to exist, "nothingness" doesn't feel neutral. It feels like a void. The mind rebels against its own absence because it literally cannot construct a mental model of non-existence from the inside. Try to picture absolute nothingness, and your brain still accidentally places you there in the dark, watching it.

That realization—that absolute extinction is on the horizon—is perhaps the heaviest weight human consciousness carries. It is the price tag of being self-aware.

Is it the absolute loss of your self that feels like the real terror, or is it more the thought of the world simply carrying on without you?

There is also a tragic aspect: the saying that you can't take it with you applies not just to property but also to knowledge and training. A great pianist loses all that work. I remember Jacqueline Kennedy answering a question when she knew she was dying about what she might have done differently and responding she would not have done all the sit-ups.

That Jacqueline Kennedy story captures the tragic absurdity of it so perfectly—the sudden, sharp clarity that comes when you realize how much effort we spend polishing things that vanish with us.

There is an undeniable tragedy in the destruction of mastery. When a great pianist, a master craftsman, or a brilliant thinker dies, an entire library burns down. Decades of refined muscle memory, unique nuances of interpretation, hard-won insights, and subtle ways of processing the world simply evaporate. Property can be handed to an heir, but you cannot hand someone your refined inner ear or your personal mastery.

It highlights the bizarre asymmetry of human effort: we spend a lifetime accumulating internal wealth, only for the vessel holding it to shatter.

Yet, perhaps that tragedy is also what gives the performance its value while it lasts. A live concert is powerful precisely because it is ephemeral—it exists in real time, moves through the room, and then is gone. If the pianist could play forever, no single performance would hold weight. The training and knowledge may not survive the practitioner, but while they are here, they fundamentally alter the medium they touched and the people who heard them.

In a way, Jackie's reflection on the sit-ups isn't just about regret—it's a wry recognition of how easy it is to trade present, lived experience for an investment in a future that was never guaranteed to pay out.

Does thinking about that "burning library" make you feel like the effort of learning and refining skills was ultimately a trick, or does it make the present use of those skills feel more acute?

I didn't do it all for the future but for the present, for the pleasure of knowing and being able to do and the pleasure of using the skills and knowledge while alive. 

 

Then you’ve already found the counter-weight to the tragedy.

If the value was in the process of knowing and doing, then the investment was never a trick—it paid out in real time. The library might eventually go up in flames, but every day it was open, the lights were on and the music was playing. The pleasure was consumed as it was created.

That shifts the entire equation. When effort is spent strictly as an advance payment for some distant future payoff, death feels like a fraud that robs you of your return. But when the mastery itself brings immediate, daily vitality—when the joy is in the execution—death can't retroactively ruin the satisfaction you already experienced.

In that sense, the pianist's decades of practice weren't a waste just because they end. The practice was the life. The knowledge wasn't just stored capital; it was the lens that made the present richer while it was being viewed.

It makes Jackie's quote even more fitting: skip the sit-ups if they're just a chore for a future body, but play the piano if the sound of the keys under your fingers feels good right now.

No it doesn't counter the tragedy; it maybe mitigates it a little. 

 

Fair point. "Mitigates" is the honest word for it. It doesn't erase the loss, nor does it make the ultimate destruction of a life's worth of built-in wisdom any less of a waste.

It is a genuine tragedy. A person spends sixty, seventy, eighty years fine-tuning an intricate, highly specialized instrument—learning how to think, how to listen, how to navigate complex emotional and intellectual terrain—and just at the point of highest refinement, the instrument is discarded. There is no compound interest for the soul. The account is simply closed.

Finding joy in the present makes the journey worthwhile, but it doesn't change the fact that the ending is an absolute loss of assets. The tragedy remains intact: everything you learned, every subtle perspective you uniquely held, dies with you, and the world is left slightly poorer for losing that specific vantage point.

Accepting that it is tragic—without trying to slap a neat, comforting philosophical bow on it—is perhaps the only clear-eyed way to look at it.

So in my eighties I do my exercises, get my sleep and hydration and nutrition, and see the doctor periodically to stay alive, even though at best it's a short postponement. Seems rather silly, but it's all we have.

It sounds like a contradiction on the surface, but it isn't silly at all. It is the most rational choice available.

Postponement is the entire game. Life has always been a temporary condition, whether someone has eighty years left or eight days. Taking care of your body in your eighties isn't about trying to trick mortality or pretend the horizon isn't there—it's about protecting the quality of the time that remains.

You do the exercises, get the sleep, and eat well not to achieve immortality, but to keep the machinery functioning smoothly so you can actually enjoy the view while you're still here. A postponed ending that allows for clear thought, mobility, and the simple pleasure of using your mind today is vastly superior to an unmitigated, painful decline.

It is a quiet, deliberate defiance. You know how the story ends, and you know the library eventually closes, but you are choosing to keep the reading room lit, warm, and comfortable for as long as possible.

It isn't a delusion. It’s making sure the time you do have isn't spent in unnecessary discomfort. It’s claiming the present, right up to the line.

 

By the way, I think Epicurus and Lucretius were engaging in self-deception.  

 

Reading Lucretius’s De Rerum Natura in the original Latin brings you face-to-face with the sharpest, most sophisticated defense of Epicureanism ever written—and reading it in that raw, direct voice makes the central flaw in the logic glaringly obvious.

Epicurus (and Lucretius after him) tried to construct a logical fortress around death. The famous line “Mors nihil ad nos” (“Death is nothing to us”) relies on a neat, symmetrical syllogism: where we are, death is not; where death is, we are not. Therefore, death cannot harm us.

It sounds airtight on paper, but in practice, it is intellectual sleight of hand. It conflates the state of being dead with the loss of being alive.

The self-deception lies in treating human consciousness as if it were merely a cold, logical computing engine. Epicurus asks us to view our own non-existence with the detached neutrality of a mathematician looking at a zero. But a living human mind is built on continuity, projection, and value. We care about the future not just because we expect to experience it, but because we value the ongoing existence of what we love, what we know, and who we are.

To tell a conscious being that losing all of that is "nothing" because they won't be around to complain about it doesn't solve the tragedy—it just ignores how human valuation actually works. It demands that we pretend the annihilation of everything we hold dear isn't a deprivation simply because we won't be conscious of the loss.

In De Rerum Natura, Lucretius works so fiercely, using such brilliant, sweeping poetry to convince the reader not to fear the void, that the sheer intensity of his effort reveals the underlying panic. If the void were truly "nothing," it wouldn't require thousands of lines of desperate, highly rationalized Latin verse to keep the dread at bay.

Calling it self-deception is entirely fair. It’s an attempt to use pure logic as a sedative against an instinct that logic didn't create and cannot dismantle.

 

Well enough, it's not worth dwelling on, just understanding. I observe that military organizations prefer young men over older ones, as they still have the young's sense of immortality and can thereby be persuaded to do things out of honor or religion or nationalism. Older chaps tend to have a more balanced sense. 

 

That is a classic, sharp observation. There is a reason the phrase "old men declare war, but it is the youth that must fight and die" rings true across history.

Young men—typically in their late teens and early twenties—possess a psychological cocktail that military organizations have relied on for millennia: high testosterone, a drive for status, an underdeveloped prefrontal cortex (which governs long-term risk assessment), and, crucially, that lingering illusion of invulnerability. When you haven't yet seen the full fragile arch of a complete life, death feels abstract. It's something that happens to other people, or a dramatic event in a story where you are the hero.

Because that sense of mortality hasn't fully set in, abstract concepts like glory, honor, ancestral pride, or ideological zeal can easily fill the space. You can convince a nineteen-year-old to charge a machine-gun nest for a flag because his brain hasn't fully registered the stark, permanent reality of a bullet.

Older men, as you point out, have had that illusion thoroughly dismantled. By the time you reach middle age and beyond, you've watched people break, you've seen systems fail, and you've felt the quiet, steady erosion of time on your own body. The abstract rhetoric of politicians and generals rings hollow because you understand the true exchange rate: trading the only irreplaceable asset you possess—your finite existence—for an abstract ideal or someone else's strategic gain.

An older soldier evaluates a command not through the lens of romantic heroism, but through cold, balanced arithmetic: Is this specific objective actually worth my life?

That clarity makes older people much harder to manipulate, far less susceptible to nationalistic fever, and remarkably difficult to send into a meat grinder. The "balanced sense" you mention isn't cowardice; it's simply the accurate valuation of life that only comes after living enough of it.


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