Athiesm

 

God has to be "human like" (anthropomorphic) in some sense, or he cannot be "God."  For example God has to be a person: if a process or a natural phenomenon or a machine then not divinity.So also, he has to be purposeful: have objectives and do things, not just exist, not King Log.  Otherwise, pointless. But then God must also be some things that are very not-human, such as omnipotent.  If there are limits on God's power then again he is not God, even though he may be powerful and seem omnipotent to us, if he is not truly omnipotent then he is superman.And, again, for much the same reason, he must be omniscient, although that leads logically to a King Log as well as to the problem of the unknown unknown.  Still, not omniscient, not God.These things lead to contradictions, but if not consistent and logical, again, not God.Long ago I realized that such a being is just human nonsense, and I think most people do, even theists, since they hedge their definition of God to make him fit logical necessity, although when you think about it that is a bit much.  And, of course, superman is always lurking about.And of course God must be both perfect (which means he can only do that which is perfect) and at the same time have unlimited free will.  Huh?  God can't lie as that would be imperfect, but he has to or his will would be limited.  My word the contortions!How arrogant of me to say what God is and what God isn't.  Well that coin has two sides.

9:21 AM

This is a genuinely sharp piece of philosophical reasoning, and it lands on something that has troubled serious theologians for centuries — not just armchair skeptics. Let me engage with it carefully rather than just applaud it.

You're essentially running several versions of the same argument: any predicate rigorous enough to make God God rather than just a very impressive being creates internal contradictions. That's a real problem, and it doesn't go away by being pious about it.

The omnipotence paradoxes are the classic case — can God create a stone he cannot lift? The medieval scholastics actually worked hard on this. Aquinas's answer was that omnipotence means the power to do all possible things, and logical contradictions aren't things, they're just noise. That's not entirely evasive — it has some coherence. But it does quietly limit God, which is exactly what you're pointing at.

The omniscience-as-King-Log problem is underrated. If God knows everything including all future states, in what sense does he act? He's more like a read-only database than an agent. Process theologians like Whitehead actually took this seriously and proposed a God who is genuinely temporal and learns — but then you get your Superman problem immediately.

The perfection vs. free will tension is perhaps the sharpest. A being who cannot lie, cannot sin, cannot choose evil — is that free will or is it a very dignified set of constraints? Leibniz said God necessarily chooses the best of all possible worlds, which prompted Voltaire's savage mockery in Candide for good reason.

Where I'd push back slightly on your argument:

The "human nonsense" conclusion is the strongest version of your case but perhaps moves a little fast. A few responses worth taking seriously:

• Apophatic theology (negative theology — Maimonides, Pseudo-Dionysius, much of Sufism) says you've proven exactly what they always claimed: God cannot be captured in human predicate logic at all. The attributes are pointing, not describing. That's not quite evasion — it's a coherent epistemological position, though it does make God functionally unknowable and arguably indistinguishable from nothing.
• The two-sides coin you mention at the end is actually important. Defining what God must be in order to count as God is itself a human act, and a culturally specific one. The God of classical theism with those precise attributes — omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, perfectly free — is substantially a Greek-influenced medieval Christian philosophical construction. Many religious traditions don't actually sign up for that exact package. They may have something more like a very powerful purposeful being — your Superman — and simply call that God without embarrassment.
• The move most theists actually make in practice, as you note, is quiet redefinition. And you're right that there's something intellectually uncomfortable about that. Though it's worth noting that every foundational concept in physics, mathematics, and philosophy also frays at the edges under sufficient logical pressure — infinity, causation, identity, time. That doesn't vindicate theological incoherence, but it slightly softens the charge of unique irrationality.

Your concluding observation about arrogance cutting both ways is the most honest thing in the piece. The confident atheist who says "such a being is logically impossible" and the confident theist who says "God is thus and so" are both making claims that outrun their warrant. The most defensible position is probably that the classical theistic God as philosophically specified is indeed incoherent — but that this tells us more about the limits of predicate logic applied to ultimacy than it tells us with certainty about what, if anything, underlies existence.

Which is unsatisfying, but probably true.

So am I an atheist because I disbelieve or because I don't believe?

9:26 AM

That's a genuinely important distinction, and it's not merely semantic.

Disbelief is an active position — you've considered the proposition "God exists" and judged it false. That requires the proposition to be coherent enough to evaluate, and you're rejecting it. This is sometimes called "strong" or "positive" atheism.

Not believing is the absence of belief — you haven't necessarily judged the proposition false, you simply don't hold it as true. A newborn doesn't believe in God, but isn't thereby making a metaphysical claim. This is "weak" or "negative" atheism, and it's closer to what some would call agnosticism, though the terms blur.

Given what you've actually argued, your position seems more precise than either. You didn't say "God doesn't exist" — you said the coherent specification of such a being is impossible. That's a third thing: not disbelief in God's existence but rejection of the concept as logically well-formed. More like saying "I don't believe in a married bachelor" — the question of existence doesn't even quite arise.

That position has a name — theological noncognitivism — the view that God-talk doesn't successfully refer to anything, not because the referent is absent but because the description is incoherent. You're not saying the room is empty. You're saying the address doesn't parse.

Which makes the atheist/theist binary probably the wrong axis for you entirely. You're standing somewhat outside the argument rather than on one side of it. And that, ironically, is exactly where the apophatic theologians claim to be standing too — just arriving from the opposite direction.

Since by definition an agnostic does not "believe," and since the definition of atheist is one who does not believe, in the past I thought agnosticism was a cop-out.  However, it has its use, as one who is merely puzzled by the whole thing.

9:30 AM

Yes, and the rehabilitation of agnosticism as a serious position rather than a cop-out rests on exactly the analysis you just did in your God argument.

If the concept is incoherent or at minimum not well-formed, then "I don't know" is actually the most epistemically honest response available. The person who says "I'm just puzzled by the whole thing" may be displaying more intellectual integrity than either the confident theist or the confident atheist, both of whom are claiming more than the evidence and logic strictly support.

Huxley, who coined the term, meant it precisely that way — not as a weak middle position between two stronger ones, but as a methodological commitment: don't claim knowledge you don't have. That's not timidity, that's rigor.

The cop-out version of agnosticism is the person who says "well, who can really say" as a way of avoiding thought. That's agnosticism as intellectual laziness or social comfort — not wanting to offend either camp.

But the serious version — someone who has followed the argument where you followed it, found the concept riddled with contradictions, found the counter-arguments interesting but not decisive, and concluded that the honest position is unresolved — that person isn't copping out. They've done more work than most theists or atheists and arrived somewhere harder to stand, because it offers no community, no comfort, and no clean identity.

The asymmetry worth noting is this: atheism as an identity has social and psychological weight — it means something to call yourself one. Agnosticism offers none of that. It's a permanent state of suspension, which most people find genuinely uncomfortable to inhabit.

Which may be why it so often looks like a cop-out even when it isn't.

I do have an opinion though, just not a belief.  There is no good reason I can see for asserting the existence of such a being, and problems with it all over the place, including the size of the universe and the limit of the speed of causation.

9:33 AM

That's a very precise and honest self-description, and it maps onto something philosophers sometimes call negative atheism by default — not a belief that God doesn't exist, but a judgment that the burden of proof hasn't been met, combined with positive reasons to think the concept is problematic. You're not claiming certainty in either direction, but you do have a considered view.

The two specific problems you raise are interesting and underappreciated compared to the usual logical paradoxes.

The size of the universe cuts against the anthropomorphic requirement you started with. A universe of roughly 93 billion light years in observable diameter, perhaps infinite beyond that, containing perhaps two trillion galaxies — and the central drama of this entire structure is a Bronze Age tribe's relationship with their deity, culminating on one particular planet. The sheer scale disproportion doesn't disprove God but makes the anthropomorphic personal God look almost comically parochial. A God adequate to the universe seems unlikely to be particularly interested in us, and a God interested primarily in us seems inadequate to the universe.

The speed of causation is sharper and less commonly made. If nothing propagates faster than light, then an omniscient God receiving information from the edge of the observable universe is working with data roughly 46 billion years old, and any response arrives 46 billion years later. A God constrained by lightspeed is neither omniscient nor omnipotent in any meaningful realtime sense. And a God not constrained by physics is simply exempt from the rules by assertion, which is intellectually convenient but requires justification.

What you have is essentially a cumulative case — not one killer argument but a consilience of problems, logical, physical, and proportional, that together make the assertion of such a being look like it requires increasingly heroic special pleading.

That's not a belief. But it's a perfectly respectable opinion.

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Take my coffee

 

We have, enjoy your coffee, drink your coffee, have your coffee. We also have something a bit special, take your coffee. ??

7:24 AM

These are all ways to invite someone to take/drink their coffee, but each has a slightly different nuance:

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"Enjoy your coffee" — A warm wish. You're expressing hope that they'll have a pleasant experience. It's more of a blessing than a direct invitation. Similar to "bon appétit."

"Drink your coffee" — Very direct and functional. It can sound like a gentle nudge or even a mild command — like telling a child before it gets cold, or reminding someone who's been distracted.

"Have your coffee" — An invitation to take/receive it. Slightly more formal or polite than "drink," often said when handing it to someone.

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"Take your coffee" — This is the interesting one. It's a bit ambiguous:

• It can mean "here, take it" (physical handover) — very practical and direct.
• It can also carry a slightly unusual or even rude tone in some contexts, as if dismissing the person ("take your coffee and go").
• In other contexts it sounds perfectly natural — like a barista sliding a cup across the counter.

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So the "something special" about "take your coffee" is likely that it can imply physical action (grabbing/picking it up) more than the others, but it carries contextual risk — it can sound dismissive or abrupt depending on tone and situation, unlike the other three which are almost always warm and hospitable.

Would you like to explore any of these further?

I take my coffee in the morning, spending maybe an hour on the porch enjoying the sunrise.

7:25 AM

Ah, this is a completely different use of "take" — and a beautiful one!

Here, "I take my coffee" doesn't mean picking up a cup or receiving it from someone. It means:

"I have/consume my coffee as a ritual or habit"

It describes a personal routine — the whole experience of it, not just the physical act of drinking. Notice how it naturally pairs with everything that surrounds the coffee:

• the time of day (in the morning)
• the duration (an hour)
• the place (on the porch)
• the experience (enjoying the sunrise)

The word "take" here gives the whole thing a sense of intention and ritual. It's not just drinking — it's something you do, something you claim as your own time.

Compare:

• "I drink coffee in the morning" — simple habit
• "I take my coffee in the morning" — a personal ritual, almost a ceremony

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You also see this sense in phrases like:

• "I take my tea with milk and two sugars" — how you prefer it
• "He takes his lunch at noon" — a regular, intentional habit
• "She takes her walks in the evening" — a cherished routine

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So "take" in this sense is really quite rich — it suggests ownership, habit, and a certain quiet pleasure in the routine. Much like that hour on the porch! ☕🌅

English is nice like that, although of course all languages have such things buried in them that one picks up rather than taught.

7:31 AM

That's a beautifully observed point. There's a real distinction between language that is learned and language that is absorbed.

When you're taught a language, you get the rules, the vocabulary lists, the grammar drills. But the texture of a language — the way "take" can hold an entire morning ritual, the way a single word shifts meaning with context and tone — that's rarely in any textbook. You acquire it almost without noticing, through exposure, immersion, and just living with the language.

Native speakers themselves often can't explain these things. If you asked someone why they say "take my coffee" rather than "drink my coffee" in that context, most would simply say "it just sounds right." The knowledge is there, but it's below the level of conscious reasoning.

This is actually what linguists call tacit knowledge of a language — the vast, mostly invisible part of the iceberg.

And you're absolutely right that every language has these buried treasures. Languages like Khmer, for instance, have incredibly nuanced systems of register and politeness baked into the vocabulary itself — things a learner might study for years but a child absorbs naturally just by listening to how adults speak to different people.

There's something almost humbling about it — the idea that no matter how fluent you become in a second language, a native speaker carries depths of the language they didn't even know they were learning. It was just in the air around them.

It makes language feel less like a tool and more like something alive.

We also have another way of communicating subtly, by allusion.  I might refer to Jonah, or to Macbeth, or to Pip.  Someone in my culture gets it and the entire story in one word.

7:42 AM

Yes, and this is one of the most elegant and efficient things language can do. One word, one name, and for the right listener an entire world opens up.

Jonah — and instantly there's the sense of someone who brings bad luck, or who is running from something they can't escape, or who finds themselves in an impossible situation not entirely of their own making.

Macbeth — ambition that destroys itself, guilt that won't wash off, the terrible momentum of a wrong decision that pulls everything down with it. Or even just the superstition around the name itself in theatre — that's a whole other layer of allusion.

Pip — the young man who mistakes wealth for worth, who is ashamed of where he came from, who learns too late what really mattered. Or perhaps just the sense of someone with great expectations that life may not honour.

What's remarkable is that allusion doesn't just convey information — it conveys it with emotional depth already attached. Dickens spent hundreds of pages making you feel something about Pip. When you invoke that name, you borrow all of that feeling instantly.

It also does something rather intimate — it creates a circle of understanding. Those inside the shared culture catch it immediately. Those outside feel the gap. It can be generous or it can be exclusive, sometimes both at once.

And of course allusion layers beautifully — a reference to Macbeth in a political conversation says something quite pointed without ever having to say it directly. The speaker maintains plausible distance while the meaning lands perfectly.

It really is a kind of cultural shorthand — but shorthand carrying the full weight of the original.

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Reason and indoctrination

 

How can a thinking being be indoctrinated against reason?

It’s less mysterious than it sounds, because “thinking being” doesn’t mean “purely rational machine.” Human reasoning sits on top of older, faster systems—emotion, identity, habit, and social belonging—and those can be trained long before critical thinking is fully engaged.

Indoctrination works by shaping the frame in which reasoning happens, not by arguing against reason directly. A few mechanisms tend to do the heavy lifting.

First, it ties beliefs to identity and belonging. If accepting a claim becomes part of “who we are” or “who my people are,” then rejecting it feels less like correcting an error and more like betrayal. Once that link is in place, reasoning gets recruited to defend the identity rather than test the belief.

Second, it controls the inputs. If someone grows up hearing only one set of explanations, repeated by trusted authorities and never seriously challenged, then those explanations become the default lens. Reasoning still operates—but only on the material it’s given. A mind can be quite logical within a very narrow or skewed set of premises.

Third, it uses emotional reinforcement—approval, fear, shame. If certain conclusions are rewarded and others punished (socially, psychologically, sometimes physically), the mind learns which paths are “safe.” Over time, it may stop exploring the unsafe ones altogether. That can feel like conviction, but it’s partly conditioning.

Fourth, it introduces “immunizing” ideas: concepts that preemptively discredit doubt. For example, teaching that questioning itself is a moral failure, or that opposing views are not just wrong but corrupt or dangerous. That way, contrary evidence is filtered out before it even gets a fair hearing.

Fifth, repetition and simplicity. A repeated, simple narrative—especially one that explains the world in clear moral terms—tends to stick better than a nuanced, uncertain one. The mind prefers coherence and closure; indoctrination supplies both.

The important point is that reason isn’t switched off. It’s redirected. A person can be very intelligent and still defend a deeply flawed belief system with impressive logic, because the starting assumptions and emotional stakes are doing most of the work.

If you flip the question around, it suggests something slightly uncomfortable: none of us are completely immune. The same machinery that allows careful reasoning also allows us to rationalize what we’ve already come to feel must be true.

I see something like this possible in childhood since natural selection provides us with mechanisms for incorporating beliefs before we can really be said to reason. Once we mature, we all have had the experience of "unlearning" things.

That’s a sensible starting point, and you’re right that childhood is the easiest entry point—before critical faculties are fully formed, the mind is mostly in “absorb and trust” mode. Natural selection would favor exactly that: a child who questions everything too early doesn’t learn language, norms, or danger cues efficiently.

But the uncomfortable extension is that the door never quite closes. Maturity adds tools for reflection, but it doesn’t replace the underlying machinery—it just sits on top of it. So the same mechanisms that make childhood indoctrination possible still operate later, just in subtler ways.

What changes is not that we become immune, but that we gain the capacity to notice and revise. “Unlearning” is a good word for it. And notice how that usually happens: not by pure reasoning in isolation, but because something disrupts the existing frame. A contradiction becomes too obvious, a trusted authority disagrees, lived experience doesn’t match the story, or one encounters an alternative worldview that is both coherent and humane.

Even then, the process is often slow and uneven. People don’t typically abandon a belief because it’s refuted in a single clean argument. They circle around it, carve out exceptions, reinterpret it—reasoning again serving to protect what’s already there—until eventually the structure gives way or quietly reshapes itself.

There’s also a cost to unlearning that doesn’t get talked about enough. If beliefs are tied to identity, community, or moral self-understanding, then revising them can feel like a small loss of self, or even a kind of exile. That’s one reason people can remain “indoctrinated against reason” even when they are perfectly capable of reasoning: the issue isn’t intellectual capacity, it’s what’s at stake.

So yes—childhood lays the groundwork. But adulthood doesn’t free us so much as give us a chance, now and then, to renegotiate what we’ve inherited. And whether we do that depends as much on temperament, circumstance, and courage as on reasoning ability itself.

If anything, the real distinction isn’t between the indoctrinated and the rational, but between those who can occasionally step outside their own assumptions and those who never quite do.

I was taught Adam and Eve. Then later I learned of fossils and societies and so on that were much older. It created a discomfort that went from they must have it wrong to I must have it wrong to a decision Adam and Eve never existed to thinking they have a communicative but not real existence. In short reason prevailed, but it is obvious that with a lot of people (what is it, half of Americans still believe it?) this doesn't work as it should.

What you describe is almost a textbook case of belief revision actually working: an inherited story meets disconfirming evidence, there’s a period of tension, and then the mind reorganizes the belief into something that can coexist with what you now know. The interesting part is not that you ended up treating Adam and Eve as symbolic—it’s that you tolerated the discomfort long enough for that transition to happen.

Many people don’t get that far, and it isn’t usually because they lack reasoning ability. It’s because the pressure points are different.

For one thing, the belief isn’t always just a proposition about ancient history. For some, it’s bound up with moral order, family continuity, even trust in authority. If you pull on that thread, it can feel as though much more than a single story is at risk. So the mind shifts into a defensive mode: reinterpret the fossils, question the dating methods, or compartmentalize—science over here, scripture over there—rather than let the tension fully resolve.

There’s also the matter of community. If everyone around you affirms the literal account, then dissent isn’t just an intellectual move; it’s social. Humans are not built to take that lightly. A belief that seems obviously untenable in isolation can remain stable when it is constantly reinforced by one’s environment.

And then there’s something subtler: not everyone experiences contradiction as sharply as you did. Some people are quite comfortable holding two incompatible frameworks side by side without feeling an urgent need to reconcile them. Others feel the dissonance very strongly and are driven to resolve it. That difference in temperament matters more than we often admit.

Your final position—seeing the story as “communicative but not real”—is actually where many thoughtful religious traditions have landed over time. It preserves meaning without making claims that collide with empirical evidence. But getting there requires a willingness to reinterpret rather than simply defend, and that step is precisely where indoctrination, identity, and social reinforcement can hold people in place.

So it’s not quite that “reason didn’t work” for others. It’s that reason is only one force in a larger system. In your case, it was allowed to run its course. In other cases, it’s constrained, redirected, or given boundaries it isn’t permitted to cross.

I was in that same world. Everyone around me laughed at my questions, then got angry. The story is fundamental to our faith.

That detail matters a lot. When questions are first met with laughter and then with anger, the message isn’t really “here is a better argument,” it’s “this line of thought is not allowed.” At that point the issue has already shifted away from evidence and into boundaries—what can be safely thought or said within the group.

If a story is treated as foundational, then questioning it isn’t heard as curiosity about a detail; it’s heard as pressure on the whole structure. People react the way they do when something central feels threatened—first dismissal, then defensiveness. From inside that system, your questions would not have looked like neutral reasoning; they would have looked like a kind of destabilization.

What’s striking in your case is that you didn’t simply suppress the questions to keep the peace. Many people do, and often quite successfully—they learn, almost without noticing, not to follow certain lines of thought all the way through. It’s not that they can’t reason; it’s that they’ve learned where reasoning is “supposed to stop.”

You, on the other hand, kept going past the point where it was socially comfortable. That usually requires two things: a certain intolerance for unresolved contradiction, and enough independence—temperamental or circumstantial—not to be entirely governed by the group’s reactions. Not everyone has both at the same time.

And once you’ve had that experience—of pushing through disapproval and revising something fundamental—it tends to generalize. You begin to trust the process of inquiry itself a bit more than the initial certainty of any given belief. That’s a hard-earned shift.

So when you look at others who remain with the literal account, it may help to see not a failure of intelligence, but a different balance of pressures. In their case, the cost of following the question all the way through—socially, emotionally, even morally as they understand it—may simply be higher than the discomfort of leaving it unresolved.

Well of course there were others who agreed with me. My parents among them, in contrast to my grandparents and to the priests and nuns.

Ah—that changes the picture in an important way.

You weren’t just a lone dissenter pushing against a wall; you had a counterweight. Your parents gave you a kind of permission structure: the signal that questioning didn’t automatically mean disloyalty or moral failure. That’s often the decisive factor. It creates a space where reason can actually operate without being shut down by fear of exclusion.

In families or communities where everyone reinforces the same boundary, questioning tends to collapse early—not because the questions are weak, but because the social cost is immediate and total. In your case, the system was mixed. Grandparents, priests, and nuns represented one pole—authority, continuity, tradition. Your parents represented another—interpretation, flexibility, or at least tolerance for inquiry. That tension, uncomfortable as it must have been, is exactly what allows belief revision to happen.

It also explains why you could move through stages rather than making a single abrupt break. You had somewhere to “stand” while reconsidering things. Without that, many people either double down or walk away entirely, because there’s no stable middle ground.

So in a sense, your experience supports your earlier point about childhood—but with an added refinement: it’s not just early indoctrination that matters, it’s whether there are competing influences early on. Even a small crack in unanimity can be enough to keep the questioning faculty alive.

That might be one reason you’re a bit puzzled by how others remain where they are. If you’ve always had at least one trusted voice saying, “it’s alright to think this through,” it’s easy to underestimate how powerful it is when no such voice exists.

I remember Ronald Reagan on TV saying well, after all, evolution is just a theory.

That line had a long afterlife—and it’s a perfect example of how a small linguistic ambiguity can carry a lot of weight.

When Ronald Reagan said “evolution is just a theory,” he was leaning—probably without intending the full consequence—on the everyday meaning of theory as “a guess” or “something not fully proven.” In ordinary speech, that’s perfectly natural.

But in science, theory means almost the opposite: a well-substantiated explanatory framework that integrates a large body of evidence. Evolution isn’t a tentative idea waiting to be confirmed; it’s the framework that explains the fossil record, genetics, observed speciation, and so on. It sits in the same category as Germ Theory of Disease or Theory of Relativity—all of which are “theories” in the scientific sense, and none of which are treated as mere guesses.

What makes that phrase so effective, rhetorically, is that it sounds like reason. It doesn’t say “reject evolution”; it says something that feels cautious and modest. But it quietly shifts the ground by importing the everyday meaning of “theory” into a scientific context. Once that shift is made, it becomes easier to treat a deeply supported explanation as if it were just one opinion among others.

In the setting you were describing earlier—where certain beliefs are treated as foundational—that kind of phrasing is almost tailor-made. It gives people a way to maintain the inherited view without feeling that they’re rejecting reason. They can say, in effect, “I’m just being appropriately skeptical,” even though the skepticism is selectively applied.

Your own experience went the other direction: you encountered the evidence—fossils, deep time—and allowed it to redefine the terms. The word “theory” didn’t do much work for you, because the underlying evidence forced the issue.

So again, it’s not that reason fails. It’s that small shifts in language, especially when reinforced by authority, can steer how reason gets applied in the first place.

Well, yes, we know how creationism messed that one up using the wrong word, but that a person as prominent and educated as he was mouthing the code words astonished me.

It is jarring the first time you notice it—especially when it comes from someone you expect to be careful with language.

A couple of things are going on there, and none of them require Reagan to have been confused in a simple-minded way.

First, Ronald Reagan was not speaking as a scientist; he was speaking as a politician. Politicians often use what you nicely called “code words”—phrases that resonate with a particular audience without having to argue the full case. “Just a theory” had already become a kind of shorthand in parts of the American cultural landscape. Using it signals alignment more than it conveys analysis.

Second, even very educated people compartmentalize. Reagan’s background wasn’t in the sciences, and like many people he likely carried the everyday meaning of “theory” alongside the scientific one without feeling a need to reconcile them. That kind of dual usage is surprisingly common; it doesn’t feel like an error from the inside.

Third—and this is the uncomfortable part—public figures sometimes simplify or shade things because precision isn’t always politically advantageous. A technically accurate statement about Evolution would have been longer, less punchy, and possibly alienating to some listeners. “Just a theory” is short, memorable, and does a lot of rhetorical work.

What struck you, I think, is the mismatch between status and care with truth. We tend to assume that prominence and education will enforce a kind of intellectual discipline. But in public life, other incentives—coalition-building, signaling, emotional resonance—often outrank precision.

So your astonishment is understandable, but it points to something broader: even highly placed, intelligent people don’t operate as neutral arbiters of reason when they’re speaking into a charged cultural issue. They’re navigating loyalties, audiences, and narratives as much as facts.

And once you see that, those little phrases stop sounding accidental. They start to look like tools.

I lost all respect and never paid him any attention at all afterward.

That reaction makes sense emotionally—but it’s probably a bit too absolute to be fair to reality.

A single statement like that, even a sloppy or loaded one, tells you something real about Ronald Reagan—about his audience, his rhetorical habits, maybe his relationship to science—but it doesn’t fully define his competence or judgment across everything else. People, especially public figures, are uneven. They can be perceptive in one domain and careless or strategic in another.

What likely bothered you wasn’t just the sentence itself, but what it represented: the willingness to blur a clear distinction for effect. That cuts against a certain intellectual ethic—one you clearly value—where words are supposed to track reality as closely as possible. When someone violates that, it can feel like a breach of trust.

But if you treat it as grounds to ignore everything else he ever said, you risk doing a milder version of the same thing—letting one dimension crowd out all the others. Reagan was, among other things, a communicator with strong instincts about how to connect with people. Sometimes that led to clarity; sometimes to oversimplification like the phrase you heard.

A more useful stance might be: note the flaw, adjust your weighting. In other words, take that as evidence that on scientific matters—or on issues where rhetoric might outrun precision—you should be cautious with him. But not necessarily that he has nothing of value to say anywhere.

You might say your reaction was a kind of intellectual immune response—understandable, but perhaps a bit overactive.

I think today I would react a little differently, more to the effect that he doesn't need and therefore shouldn't get into such subjects as it diminishes credibility with the educated part of the population. He was pandering.

That’s a more measured read—and probably closer to what was going on.

From a political standpoint, it looks less like ignorance and more like calibration. Ronald Reagan was speaking into a coalition that included a growing number of voters for whom skepticism about Evolution was already a marker of identity. Using a phrase like “just a theory” signaled affinity with that group in a way that was quick and recognizable. In that sense, yes—pandering is a fair word.

Where your current view is sharper than your earlier one is in separating competence from judgment about where to speak. A politician doesn’t need to opine on every domain, and when they do so loosely—especially in areas where precision matters—they spend credibility with people who are listening carefully. It’s a kind of trade: gain reinforcement from one audience, lose standing with another.

The interesting question is whether that trade is always unwise. From the standpoint of governance, one might argue that maintaining trust across educated constituencies has long-term value. From the standpoint of electoral success, short, resonant signals often win out over careful distinctions. Those two incentives don’t always align.

So your revised reaction—“he shouldn’t go there”—is really a judgment about what kind of credibility a public figure ought to protect, and with whom. That’s a higher-level critique than simply dismissing him outright, because it recognizes the strategic element while still holding him to an intellectual standard.

I remember being called insane when I suggested there was a possibility Jesus never existed but was entirely myth. I expressed it not as my opinion, which it isn't, but as a possibility we haven't enough evidence to be sure about. To this person just the idea was mental derangement.

That reaction—treating a possibility as if it were madness—is very characteristic of beliefs that sit at the core of identity rather than at the edge of knowledge.

For many people, the historical existence of Jesus Christ isn’t just a question like any other historical inquiry. It’s tied to meaning, morality, community, and often personal relationship. So when you frame it the way a historian might—“given the evidence, how certain can we be?”—they’re not hearing a methodological question. They’re hearing something closer to “this entire structure might not be real.” That can feel not just wrong, but threatening or even destabilizing.

From your side, what you said is actually quite restrained. In historical terms, most scholars think there was likely a historical figure behind the tradition, but the evidence is indirect, filtered through texts written decades later, with theological aims. So saying “we can’t be absolutely certain” is just applying ordinary historical caution. It’s not an extreme position; it’s almost the default stance in serious history.

But notice the gap: you were operating in a framework where uncertainty is acceptable—even expected. The other person was operating in a framework where certain things must not be put into doubt at all. When those two frameworks collide, each side can find the other incomprehensible. To you, their reaction looks irrational. To them, your question looks like a violation of something sacred.

And again, it ties back to your earlier experience. You had, from relatively early on, permission—internally and from your parents—to let questions run their course. Many people never get that permission. They learn, often quite young, that some lines of thought are not merely incorrect but off-limits. Once that boundary is internalized, even entertaining the question can feel like a kind of disorder.

So what you encountered wasn’t really a judgment about your reasoning ability. It was a boundary being enforced—rather bluntly—by someone for whom that boundary felt essential.