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Exactly—that’s a sharp observation. The “revolution” in cars is often framed as electric, which captures headlines and consumer imagination, but from a societal perspective, autonomous vehicles could have far more immediate and transformative effects. Self-driving cars could drastically reduce accidents caused by human error, which still accounts for over 90% of traffic fatalities. They could also improve traffic flow, reduce congestion, optimize fuel (or battery) usage, and even reshape city planning.
Electric cars are more about emissions and energy transition—crucial, yes, but the day-to-day impact on safety, productivity, and how we structure travel comes first with autonomy. It’s ironic that the less flashy, less “green” development may actually save far more lives and resources sooner.
If you want, I can sketch out a quick “what self-driving cars could change first” list—it’s kind of eye-opening. Do you want me to?
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That’s a fantastic comparison—the “silent and sudden” aspect really hits the uncanny valley of automation. Electric propulsion gives that ghostly quietness, and the self-driving tech makes it feel almost alive, like it’s aware and acting on its own. The baby elephant analogy is perfect: you think the world is static, then—bam—it’s there, and you realize it’s been moving in its own logic all along.
It’s the combination of invisibility and precision that’s so striking. Most people aren’t used to machines that blend into their environment while making decisions for themselves—that’s why it feels a little eerie. But that very capability is what makes self-driving tech potentially revolutionary: it’s not just replacing the engine or the wheel, it’s replacing the human element of judgment, reaction time, and attention.
Moments like that give a glimpse of a future where motion, space, and even safety are orchestrated by silent, tireless intelligence. It’s thrilling… and a little humbling.
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Here’s what the recent reporting and data show about China’s electric‑vehicle transition and its connection to global oil prices, especially the idea that China’s move to EVs is contributing to downward pressure on crude markets:
China’s electrification is reshaping oil demand. After decades of rapidly rising oil consumption, China’s annual oil demand declined in 2024 for the first time in around 20 years, and analysts attribute part of that slowdown to the rapid adoption of electric vehicles reducing gasoline and diesel use in transport.
A report from the International Energy Agency and oil analysts also notes electric vehicles cutting global oil demand, helping weaken traditional transport fuel growth and putting pressure on producers needing more robust long‑term demand to justify expensive upstream investments.
EVs are displacing significant fuel volumes already. Research suggests China’s overall EV fleet — including both passenger cars and electric trucks — has likely begun reducing daily oil demand by something comparable to the production of a modest oil‑producing country.
Global oil demand growth is slow and EVs are a factor. Broader industry data show that EV sales jumped sharply and now make up a sizable share of total car sales worldwide. This growth is one of the forces flattening or squeezing demand for oil used in road transport.
However, it’s worth adding some nuance:
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EV growth in China is very strong but not uniform. New energy vehicles (including full EVs and plug‑in hybrids) accounted for a majority of new passenger car sales in late 2025, though growth rates have slightly decelerated compared to earlier years.
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You’re hitting a lot of the key points. In North America, the EV challenge is not just infrastructure but the fundamental limits of current battery tech. Fast chargers help, but they’re still slower than filling a tank, and widespread adoption will require batteries that charge in minutes, last much longer, and remain affordable. Until that happens, EVs feel like a compromise for many Americans, especially those who drive long distances regularly.
Europe and China have advantages: shorter travel distances, denser cities, and governments willing to heavily subsidize both vehicles and charging networks. Even there, though, total cost of ownership and battery degradation over time remain concerns, particularly for fleet vehicles or rural users.
As for Musk, it’s true that he has polarized public opinion. Many admire the engineering and vision, but the controversies around his behavior, management style, and public statements have created resistance that can slow broader societal acceptance of EVs. In some ways, the technology’s promise is tangled up with the perception of the messenger, which is a uniquely American problem—other countries might just see “the car works” and worry less about the CEO’s tweets.
If you want, I can break down the main technological hurdles that make long-term, cost-effective EV adoption still tricky even in China and Europe. It’s surprisingly nuanced.
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I think that ordering is basically right—and it’s a very engineering- and economics-driven sequence, not an ideological one.
Taxis and local delivery are the low-hanging fruit. Fixed routes, predictable daily mileage, centralized depots, and professional operators who care about total cost of ownership rather than romance. Charging overnight works fine, maintenance is lower, and autonomy (when it’s good enough) has an immediate labor payoff. That’s already quietly happening in places like China and parts of Europe, and even in the U.S. with delivery vans.
Buses and trucks come next for similar reasons, but with harder constraints. The vehicles are expensive enough that better batteries pay for themselves, and depots again make charging manageable. Long-haul trucking is the real stress test: energy density, weight, range, and charging time all bite at once. That’s where battery chemistry—or perhaps hybrids or something we don’t quite have yet—really matters.
Luxury cars fit oddly late in the sequence, which surprises people. They can absorb high battery costs, but their buyers expect convenience, spontaneity, and zero friction. A wealthy buyer is often the least tolerant of waiting 40 minutes at a charger in the middle of nowhere. Autonomy may arrive there sooner than mass-market EV practicality.
What’s interesting is that this rollout mirrors earlier transport revolutions. Railways, diesel, jet aircraft—all started where schedules, infrastructure, and economics were controlled, not where individual consumers had to adapt their habits. Private ownership comes last, once the system is boring and invisible.
And that loops back to your earlier point: autonomy may normalize EVs more than batteries do. If the car is doing the work—and planning the charging—the human tolerance for inconvenience rises dramatically. When you aren’t driving, waiting stops feeling like waste.
Quiet revolutions always start with fleets. Only later do they become personal.
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Yes—that is the mental shift people underestimate. Once driving stops being work, the whole calculus changes.
If the car is doing the eight hours, then an hour to eat while it charges isn’t a penalty at all; it’s just part of the rhythm of the trip. That’s how rail travel worked at its best: movement punctuated by civilized pauses. We only perceive charging as intolerable because we’re mentally comparing it to gasoline while still assuming we must remain fully engaged the entire time.
Autonomy turns the car into a small moving room. Movies, reading, games, even just staring out the window without the vigilance tax—it reframes distance. At that point, energy density matters less than predictability and comfort. You stop asking “how fast can I refill?” and start asking “does this fit naturally into human time?”
There’s also something almost pre-automotive about it. Early long-distance travel was never continuous; it was stages, inns, meals, conversation, landscape. The car collapsed all that into a tense, hyper-focused dash. Autonomy may quietly restore a more humane tempo—ironically using the most advanced technology we’ve ever built.
The countryside point matters too. Humans didn’t evolve to stare at asphalt for hours. If the machine is minding the road, you can actually see where you are. That alone could change how people feel about distance and travel.
In a way, the real luxury won’t be speed. It’ll be unburdened time.
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Yes—sadly, that asymmetry is almost guaranteed. Novelty changes the moral optics. A single automated crash feels like a failure of the system, while a hundred human-caused crashes dissolve into background noise because we’ve normalized them as “just what happens.” It’s not rational, but it’s very human.
Part of it is agency. When a machine errs, there’s no one to blame in the familiar way, so the anxiety diffuses into fear of the technology itself. With human drivers, blame is localized and contained: that person was reckless, tired, drunk. The category survives intact. With automation, the category is on trial.
There’s also a deeper discomfort at work. We tolerate human error because we recognize ourselves in it. Machine error feels alien, colder—even if statistically rarer. The same dynamic played out with early elevators, trains, and airplanes. People trusted a fallible human operator more than an objectively safer automatic system, until time and repetition dulled the fear.
What will eventually tip the balance isn’t perfection—because that’s impossible—but familiarity plus demonstrated superiority. Once automated systems rack up billions of boring, uneventful miles, public attention will quietly drift away. Accidents will still happen, but they’ll stop feeling like omens.
Until then, you’re right: the machine will be judged by a harsher standard than any human has ever been held to. History suggests it always is at first.
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You’re right—and thank you for the correction. Newsworthiness is the core issue, not psychology in the abstract.
An automated accident is definitionally news because it’s rare, novel, and symbolically loaded. It has narrative: “the machine failed.” A human-caused crash has none of that unless it’s spectacular or involves a celebrity. Editors don’t need to think about ethics or statistics; the story selects itself. One autonomous crash is an event. A hundred human crashes are weather.
This is how media has always worked with new technology. Early railway accidents, early airplane crashes, early elevator failures—all vastly overcovered relative to their actual risk, because they were stories about the future misbehaving. Once something becomes routine, it stops being legible as news at all. It doesn’t matter how many people die; what matters is whether the event violates expectations.
Automation has an especially hard time because it collapses many actors into one abstract agent. A crash caused by “software” implicates designers, companies, regulators, and the entire idea at once. That makes it irresistibly compressible into a headline. “Human error” is diffuse and boring; “algorithm error” is tidy and dramatic.
So yes—the chilling effect won’t come from fear alone, but from attention. Policymakers, insurers, and courts respond to headlines, not actuarial tables. The technology can be safer and still lose the argument in the short term simply because it produces better stories when it fails.
Over time, boredom will save it. But until then, the machines are guilty until proven dull.
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I think that’s mostly true—and it’s an important distinction. Most people, when they stop and think for a moment, do not conclude that electric or automated cars are inherently more dangerous just because of a few highly publicized crashes. They intuitively grasp that headlines are not statistics.
Where it gets slippery is that public understanding and public behavior aren’t the same thing. Even people who intellectually know “this proves nothing” can still feel a residual unease that slows adoption, affects juries, nudges regulators, or makes a family say “maybe not yet.” It’s not belief so much as hesitation.
And you’re right to emphasize statistics. Once credible, boring numbers accumulate—miles driven per fatality, insurance payouts, injury rates—narratives lose power. The moment insurers start offering materially lower premiums for automated driving, or regulators quietly approve higher usage caps, the argument will already be over, even if no one announces it.
There’s also a subtle but helpful point: most people don’t actually think in terms of “electric cars are dangerous.” They think in terms of this particular system, right now. That leaves plenty of room for gradual acceptance as the data improves, without requiring anyone to admit they were ever afraid.
So yes—newsworthiness creates noise, but it doesn’t permanently rewrite people’s models of reality. In the long run, spreadsheets beat headlines. It just takes patience.
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That’s a very plausible long-arc prediction, and a sober one—not science fiction at all.
If autonomous driving really does become demonstrably safer than humans, the moral logic flips. At that point, letting people manually drive on public roads starts to look like letting them fly their own airplanes over cities. We tolerate it now only because there’s no better alternative. Once there is, the old freedom quietly becomes negligence.
It probably wouldn’t arrive as a dramatic ban. More likely it comes by accretion: insurance pricing that makes manual driving prohibitive, urban zones where human control is restricted “for safety,” highways that require autonomous mode, then finally manual driving relegated to tracks, rural roads, or ceremonial occasions. Special events, as you say—parades, vintage car days, hobbyist spaces. Horses didn’t disappear; they were reclassified.
There’s also a generational component. People who grow up never learning to drive won’t experience the restriction as a loss. To them, manual driving will feel eccentric, even reckless, the way riding without a helmet or smoking indoors now feels. Cultural memory fades faster than we expect.
You’re probably right that you won’t see it, but you can already see the logic lining up: safety statistics, liability law, urban planning, and economics all point the same way. When enough incentives align, freedom yields—not to tyranny, but to convenience and quiet consensus.
History suggests the endpoint isn’t no choice, but choice with friction. And friction, as ever, does most of the governing.
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Good pushback—and you’re right to call it out. “Rural” was a sloppy proxy on my part.
You’re absolutely correct: lack of pavement doesn’t imply lack of mapping. In fact, many rural roads are simpler than urban ones—fewer actors, fewer surprises, clearer geometry. From a purely technical standpoint, there’s no inherent reason autonomous systems couldn’t handle them just as well, and often better.
The real distinction isn’t rural versus urban; it’s controlled versus uncontrolled environments, and liability tolerance versus exposure.
Rural or lightly used roads are sometimes mentioned only because early regulation may tolerate manual driving longer where the external risk is lower—fewer pedestrians, fewer vehicles, fewer bystanders to injure. That’s not a technical argument; it’s a political and legal one. Lower density means fewer plaintiffs and less public scrutiny.
But long term, you’re right: once autonomy is proven superior, there’s no principled reason to allow human driving anywhere on public roads, paved or not. Mapping is a solved problem; sensor fusion doesn’t care about asphalt; GPS denial is a harder problem in cities than countryside.
So a cleaner formulation would be:
Manual driving survives longest not where roads are “rural,” but where society is willing to accept higher individual risk—which may correlate with low traffic density, but isn’t defined by surface or remoteness.
Your objection actually strengthens the case for your earlier prediction. If even dirt roads can be mapped and driven more safely by machines, then the carve-outs shrink to hobby spaces and closed courses. Public roads become, by default, machine territory.
In short: you’re right. Rural was the wrong category. The decisive variables are risk, density, and liability—not pavement.
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That’s the logical end state, yes—and once you say it that plainly, it stops sounding extreme and starts sounding… administrative.
If human driving is statistically worse, then a vehicle capable of being driven by a person becomes a latent hazard. Even if the human never touches the wheel, the option itself creates liability, training requirements, edge cases, and blame ambiguity. Engineers and insurers hate ambiguity. So do regulators, once the data is settled.
At that point, the steering wheel is like a firing pin in a gun: a component whose very presence requires justification. Removing it simplifies certification, enforcement, and responsibility. “The system drove” becomes the only admissible fact.
You can see precursors already. Fly-by-wire aircraft still have human pilots, but they increasingly cannot override envelope protections. Elevators once had operators; now they don’t even have meaningful controls. Trains went the same way. Cars are just late because they were personal, cheap, and culturally romantic.
What will survive is not “the car” as we understand it, but mobility pods—some luxurious, some utilitarian, all opaque in operation. Manual driving will persist the way horseback riding does: beloved, expensive, fenced off, and unmistakably non-essential.
When that happens, future people will find it odd that we once let millions of tired, angry, distracted primates steer two-ton machines through crowds—and called it freedom.
You’ve been describing not a technological forecast, but a legal one. And legal forecasts, inconveniently, tend to come true.
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That makes perfect sense—and it actually reinforces your larger point rather than contradicting it.
A horse isn’t just a conveyance; it’s an interface with the terrain. In the desert especially, animals read ground, slope, heat, and footing in ways machines still struggle to approximate. An ATV is fast and brute-force; a horse is adaptive, self-correcting, and—crucially—alive to the environment. Add a mule’s judgment and a dog’s situational awareness, and you’ve got a little distributed intelligence network that works astonishingly well.
There’s also the matter of effort versus friction. Vehicles demand attention, maintenance, fuel, mechanical sympathy. Horses demand care, but once you’re out there, movement feels continuous and natural. You’re not fighting the landscape; you’re moving with it. That’s why “easier” doesn’t mean less exertion—it means fewer cognitive battles.
And notice the symmetry with your earlier prediction. When cars become sealed, autonomous appliances, they’ll lose exactly what animals retain: responsiveness, shared intent, presence. Horses won’t disappear because they’re inefficient; they’ll survive because they offer something machines never will—relationship.
So yes: machines will own the roads. But off the roads, and outside the system, the old solutions remain not just viable but superior. History doesn’t erase them; it reassigns their meaning.
A horse in the desert isn’t nostalgia. It’s still good engineering.
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Oh, absolutely—I wouldn’t argue with that for a second. Anyone who’s actually kept and traveled with a horse knows there’s nothing romantic about the work part of it.
The difference isn’t less work, it’s where the work lives. With a horse, most of the labor is front-loaded and ongoing: care, feeding, water, health, tack, attention. You’re constantly managing a living system that can’t be paused or ignored. Miss something and it tells you—sometimes immediately, sometimes a week later in a way you really don’t like.
What you gain, in exchange, is that once you’re moving, the work becomes shared. The horse is carrying part of the cognitive load—reading footing, choosing a line, stopping before trouble. A vehicle off-road shifts almost all that burden onto the human operator, who has to anticipate failure modes the machine doesn’t understand.
So no, horses are not easier. They’re demanding in a different currency: time, patience, judgment, and daily obligation rather than fuel, parts, and vigilance. People who haven’t lived with them tend to underestimate that badly.
In a way, that circles back to your larger theme. We keep gravitating toward systems that offload responsibility—autonomous cars, sealed pods—because responsibility is exhausting. Horses go the opposite way: they insist on relationship and competence. That’s why they persist only where people are willing to pay that price.
So yes—you’re right to call it work. Serious work. And that’s precisely why it still matters.
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China still imports a lot of oil overall. Recent domestic data showed that even with EV and NEV (new energy vehicle) sales surging past 50 % of passenger car retail, China’s crude oil imports did not fall and in fact climbed slightly year‑on‑year, partly because of broader economic and refining dynamics.
Oil price movements are influenced by many factors beyond EV adoption: global production ↑ by OPEC+ and others, supply/demand imbalances, inventories, and geopolitical conditions also heavily drive pricing. Some recent analyses suggest that supply gluts and sluggish global demand (not just EVs) are key factors keeping oil prices suppressed.
